Questions about learning 3D

[Jammy7797]

Hey,

As my birthday is coming up i am hoping to get a 3rd sundia sun and start trying a bit of 3d.

But first i have a few questions about learning 3d etc.

Is it necessary to learn the hover start before trying to unwrap and go into the shuffle?

Is their any particular point or level of diaboloing you should be at to begin learning 3d or not?

If you could give me your opinions and advice then i would appreciate it

~Jammy7797

[Toddyupa]

Have you ever seen Jacob sharo use a hover? I haven't. And his tricks a wild. Wrap start is fine.

You can try 3D as soo as you want, but it's good to master the easier stuff with one and 2, like sucides, fans, integrals, etc.

[Diabolo Dodson]

Have you ever seen Jacob sharo use a hover? I haven't. And his tricks a wild. Wrap start is fine.

You can try 3D as soo as you want, but it's good to master the easier stuff with one and 2, like sucides, fans, integrals, etc.

Jacob always uses hover now from what ive seen. He used to start 3 from wrap, go to high then lower it again to get the speed up.

I would advise learning hover, it makes the opening easier to time and it helps to learn the basic tricks if all diabolos are well spun.

[wgm]

Is it necessary to learn the hover start before trying to unwrap and go into the shuffle?

definitely not. I learned the correct unwrap without hover, but no shuffles, then I learned hover and it sent me back a month to find the correct unwrap timing. Choose one start and stick with it, it doesn't matter which.

[Toddyupa]

he doesn't in Sharpe Attack dodson

[Richard]

definitely not. I learned the correct unwrap without hover, but no shuffles, then I learned hover and it sent me back a month to find the correct unwrap timing. Choose one start and stick with it, it doesn't matter which.

Wouldn't it be better to try and learn both at the same time? That's what I'm doing.

[wgm]

if you can evenly distribute your time between practicing both. i ended up doing hover so much i forgot regular.

[Sean]

The hover makes it much easier and faster to learn tricks and progress, but it's not necessary. I didn't figure it out for many years, but once I did I finally started making progress with 3d again. I probably haven't done a non-hover start in half a year now.

So, work on it, but also work on the regular start. You don't need it, but you'll progress faster with it. No reason you can't learn it after you get the shuffle going.

In real life, Jacob uses a hover wrap most (almost all?) of the time. There's not much reason not to give it at least a few tugs once you've got it solid. It's just so much less effort and time than accelerating after the fact.

[zwiggelbig]

I can't decide wich start to choose.. I want to start learning 3d again because I gave up on it..
But wrap or hover.. I can't choose. And if I do a hover I fail so badly.. And I don't know if i ever learn it.. 

[Diabolo Dodson]

he doesn't in Sharpe Attack dodson

Well the last time i saw him he used it practically every time, unless he was going straight to high after wards.

[Jammy7797]

Thanks for all of the feedback guys!

You can try 3D as soo as you want, but it's good to master the easier stuff with one and 2, like sucides, fans, integrals, etc.

Aaah, i'm not really that far yet... 

Wouldn't it be better to try and learn both at the same time? That's what I'm doing.

Yeah, im sure as you practice more and more you will decide which you are most confortable with.

[Duncan]

@Jammy,

On top of practicing 2 diabolo stuff until you're comfortable with it, one trick that I find really helps with 3 diabolos is around the leg.  It gets you used to doing a lift with your left hand (or right hand, if you're a lefty).

For some it doesn't seem to matter if they work on around the leg, but its something to consider.

[Jammy7797]

@Jammy,

On top of practicing 2 diabolo stuff until you're comfortable with it, one trick that I find really helps with 3 diabolos is around the leg.  It gets you used to doing a lift with your left hand (or right hand, if you're a lefty).

For some it doesn't seem to matter if they work on around the leg, but its something to consider.

Aaah thanks. ill give it a try but i think i realized I'm not ready for 3d yet 

[zwiggelbig]

You can practicly start learning 3d as soon as you masterd the 2 diabolo shuffle, acceleration and corecting.
You don't need to be able to do any 2d tricks or master the 2d shuffle.. Because 3d is a whole diffrent movement =)

[Hathaway]

I actually have a theory that people will find 3d easier to learn when they don't know much about 2d. The motion is so different that people who have been doing 2d a long time have that motion so ingrained, that learning the 3d motion can take a bit of time to get the hands around.

[Richard]

I actually have a theory that people will find 3d easier to learn when they don't know much about 2d. The motion is so different that people who have been doing 2d a long time have that motion so ingrained, that learning the 3d motion can take a bit of time to get the hands around.

I think you're right - I still try to use my left hand like I'm doing 2D and I'm still getting nowhere fast.

[zwiggelbig]

I find it really hard to get the timing of the unwrap correct when doing the wrap start. Because you don't have much time between when the diabolo is wrapped and your moment of unwrapping.. Because it goes down..

If you hover can you time it much and much better..

Anyone got tips on this?

[Jammy7797]

I actually have a theory that people will find 3d easier to learn when they don't know much about 2d. The motion is so different that people who have been doing 2d a long time have that motion so ingrained, that learning the 3d motion can take a bit of time to get the hands around.

I like the way you think there  i realize that theres no real point which you MUST start 3d or CANT start to learn 3d but i just wondered if im learning it a bit early and should concentrate on getting 2d stuff before 3d.

I know someone who just learnt 2d and he can't do infinite suicide, genocides, excalibur and even easier tricks than that so... i suppose it really is when you feel ready for it ;]

~Jammy7797

[Jammy7797]

Im just not sure about what is mroe important... 3d or 2d tricks because i like performing... and an audience uaully finds a higher number of props more impressive than the tricks because they dont understand them.

~Jammy7797

[Tipper]

I know someone who just learnt 2d and he can't do infinite suicide, genocides, excalibur and even easier tricks than that so... i suppose it really is when you feel ready for it ;]

~Jammy7797

i barely knew that excalibur, mini-genocides and infinite suicides existed when i learned to do 2d sprinklers and suns