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Jesse

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Out of Practice
« on: March 06, 2010, 07:46:07 AM »
I have mixed feelings about posting this. I really didn't want to make a video as I'm severely out of practice and have barely touched my diabolos in the past two months. I have nothing new to share and I wanted to wait until I had something worth sharing before making any new videos.

However, Mike wanted to test his new camera, so I agreed to do some tricks for him. He edited it into a full video and the quality amazed me, which is the reason I have decided to post this. No effects were added in post, it's all lenses and filters. The filming is pretty amazing. Thank you, Mike.

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »
What's wrong with the sound? And Jesse when you move back to Finland, please take that Mike with you?
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 09:09:21 AM »
Nice touch with the Collab music on!

Filming was good too, much like its predessessor.

I like your string combos, especially the one around 3.30 - I'm gonna try it and tweak it if I can!

Nice one Jesse.

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 09:49:07 AM »
I like more the angles in this video. More variety and upper part of the body almost always present, i think that's important
good video
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 12:25:51 PM »
Brilliant

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 12:57:36 PM »
Damn, that came out awesome looking.

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2010, 03:10:00 PM »
nice one.. i was going to say there was something wrong with the sound but its nothing your hair doesn't make up for  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2010, 07:20:00 PM »
Great video!
The quality is amazing and I really like the 'uncommon' camera angels!
Maybe not new, but your tricks are awesome!

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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 08:06:31 PM »
Thank you. No idea how the sound turned out that way, I will ask Mike about it.

Samuli, I'll do my best, I can try and steal his equipment at the very least.


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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2010, 10:20:13 PM »
Thats a ridiculously good camera.

Hurry up and make it to the uk (Southern lights more specifically...)

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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 01:48:55 AM »
it was indeed very saweet. but i wish you (or whoever edited the video) used different music.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 01:53:58 AM »
The filming and editing was really nice I thought. The slow motion shots were lovely.

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 02:30:27 AM »
it was indeed very saweet. but i wish you (or whoever edited the video) used different music.

Wasn't me. I would've used different music, but I don't think Mike has seen the collab, so he didn't know. I didn't even know that he was going to edit a video, I thought that he was just testing his camera.

Hath, would love to go to the UK. Don't have enough money at the moment though. I'll see you guys at the EJC and FDC though, right?

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 02:01:32 PM »
that was really good.
I like whatever camera filter that is at 0:48, looks cool.
but yeah I think there is something up with the music (at least when you watch it at 360p) it gets kind of sketchy and skippy at parts.

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 02:32:12 PM »
That was pretty awesome! I dig your style Jesse, keep at it :)

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 02:37:52 PM »
Hath, would love to go to the UK. Don't have enough money at the moment though. I'll see you guys at the EJC and FDC though, right?

I would really love to make it there, but I just don't think I will be able to afford it... Perhaps I will take a career break though borrow some money off the rents, and go to that music festival as well...

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 05:21:33 PM »
Big love for this.  The warm redish shots are just what i needed on this bitter Winters day.

Makes me think how far the diab vids have come since I joined this forum.




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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 07:13:27 PM »
Loved the variety of camera angles and just generally had a good feel to it

And very well edited and filmed


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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 08:05:30 PM »
Okay, that's it. Beers are on me. Let's not loose the shoes man.

You and me Jesse we need to get in shape again and kill them at diabolo nationals 2011. I fear it's a bit too late for this year ;)

Ridiculously good video, i liked this even better than the previous. The sound was perfect, no need for change.  I really need this to my IPhone for daily carry. Is the vimeo version already up?
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 08:55:21 PM »
Haha, Marko I take that challenge. 2011 here we come!

Vimeo version coming in a few days. Mike has the original and he promised to send it, but he's a busy man, so it will take a couple of days.

Oh and thanks everyone!

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 09:55:37 PM »
Beautiful video! Respect for mike's filming and your style :)
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2010, 07:28:56 AM »
Vimeo and JTV are now up. Links in the original post. Vimeo has an epic thumbnail.

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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2010, 07:54:49 AM »
Put together so beautifully!
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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 06:56:17 AM »
I just received some behind the scenes pictures that I thought I would share:








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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 07:02:32 AM »
Yea! I almost guessed what setup you were using on that video. This just confirms everything. ;) Great job. I want filming group like that to here as well.
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 06:28:19 AM »
I liked the pictures more, actually. There's good filming, and editing, but i suppose the video kinda looks like it could be named "What you didn't see in Put Together Beautifully'. Yep, it looks like most of it is just stuff from that that you didn't include in that video. Although, being like that video isn't too bad.
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 07:55:16 AM »
Toddyupa, :D isn't that the most used reason to film another video? "To put there tricks that you haven't filmed before." Would you rather watch the same tricks all over again?

Just a thought... i think i didn't understand your comment right.
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 03:51:16 PM »
I just received some behind the scenes pictures that I thought I would share:








Amaaaazing photo!

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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2010, 08:53:32 PM »
no i mean, i liked put together beautifully, because it was a brand new way to make a video. this, is really like a repeat.
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2010, 09:59:33 PM »
I really don't see your point Toddysucka. What you get is a free diabolo video that is filmed and produced better than 99,9% of everything that has come out so far. It's just awesome to watch!!Also, it's nice to see how beautifully good producing and diabolo combine, when you put them in a video together.[nb]Note what I did there...[/nb]
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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2010, 10:23:29 PM »
now i know what you mean with 'good quality'.
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awesome vid..btw
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2010, 10:50:10 PM »
That was lovely. The filming (as has been said several times) was absolutely sublime, so kudos to Mike for that.

I thought that shot from 0.20-25 was amazing... I guess I quite like the contrast of there being stuff going on, but the shot itself being so still and focused. Also, that combo from 0.30-45 was awesome! I'm really liking those two handed whip catch type tricks at the moment, and you pulled it off nicely.

I know you've already said it's unlikely, but I'd like to echo Hath's statement about you coming over. It'd be awesome to have a session at some point.

As always, stellar work, Jesse.

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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2010, 12:58:38 AM »
Thanks for the comments everyone. Really appreciate it.

Ken, actually it's not THAT unlikely. I'm actually thinking about a trip later this year. Maybe October/November-ish?

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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2010, 07:50:33 AM »
Toddy, you really need to start watching real videos from people who actually film stuff. Having tighter shots and angles makes videos much more interesting. I can imagine how well shot videos might seem to people who watch mostly juggling videos from youtube. I've always been more into dvd's and quality of filming.

But yea, i don't have a need to fight over this with anybody. Just don't want to hear disrespect about Jesses videos since i feel they are the best thing that is happening in diabolo world now. The way people film their youtube videos is really an awful looking way *. There's no excuse for practicing a little filming as well. It really isn't that hard to improve those videos even just a bit.



*I know there are some people who film well, this was not for you. I think you know who you are since there aren't many.

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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2010, 08:18:28 AM »
Yep pretty spot on Marko, I certainly hope the days of every juggling video being straight on shots of a trick - new location straight on shot of tricks - new shot slightly to the side shot of a trick etc... are numberd. Whilst some of those shots can look nice we certainly need to start seeing more professionalism like Jesse + his friend Mikes latest excurtions.

Sweet, you certainly should come over later in the year, we should be in the house of juggle by then Ken?

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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2010, 08:48:54 AM »
The video is very beautiful. I often lose interest with other videos due to a) too many integrals or b) bad filming. Both were not the case here and I enjoyed every bit of it. Great photos as well!

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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2010, 08:07:58 PM »
I really don't see your point Toddysucka. What you get is a free diabolo video that is filmed and produced better than 99,9% of everything that has come out so far. It's just awesome to watch!!Also, it's nice to see how beautifully good producing and diabolo combine, when you put them in a video together.[nb]Note what I did there...[/nb]

Toddysucka <-----  :-D

I agree with what you said and liked what you did there  ;)

I just look at it this way:

There are hundreds of video's out there but there are very few that take an interest in locations and the filming and editing point of view. You can watch many diabolo videos that are relitively the same because most of the tricks are not original. So this is what makes a video different, i like video's with original tricks, great editing and a variety of film angles etc.

good job Jesse, good job.

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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2010, 09:10:35 PM »
I certainly hope the days of every juggling video being straight on shots of a trick - new location straight on shot of tricks - new shot slightly to the side shot of a trick etc... are numberd. Whilst some of those shots can look nice we certainly need to start seeing more professionalism like Jesse + his friend Mikes latest excurtions.

Hath, to be honest you can't really expect all videos to be filmed like this. Most people do not have an opportunity for making a video like this. People normally dont have a professional guy to film their diabolo videos and it is quite hard to get these angles when your alone with a camera and a tripod. Of course, different angles is possible but higher perspectives combined with that filming and angle is not possible to do alone. Honestly, I think videos are getting higher expectations. I think people should think about 2 things in a video, the filming and entertainment on the video, and the skills. You can make a video like in this case with fantastic filming and editing that possibly dont have high technical skill but are still a wonderful film, and in other cases with technical skill and tricks pushing the limits of diabolo, but worse filming. I think both should be considered for videos and that the expectations for filming and editing should be a little smaller. Hope you guys understand me.
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2010, 09:57:20 PM »
People normally dont have a professional guy to film their diabolo videos and it is quite hard to get these angles when your alone with a camera and a tripod.

I can't possibly agree with that after filming this video with tripod almost alone. (I'm truly sorry for posting videos in other video topics. This is just to prove my point. Also didn't get this work as a link... oh wait, i can just tinyurl it to avoid the massive embed. :)
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I had friend only holding camera in one shot. Also i hardly consider myself professional in filming. Just read about some tricks and watched couple of tutorials. This is just a small thing anyone can do. Also i'm not using any special editing software.

I don't see point in filming anything badly. Just practice and maybe talk on filming forums or watch tutorials what ever (i just bough one book about filming from secondhand shop, 1euro) In one week you will learn all the things you need to improve the videos. It's not like rocket science. If you can learn diabolo filming is not going to be harder than that. Planning is what you have to do that's it.


EDIT: Softening the punches, sorry for being harsh. Everybody can film better if they care to. It's mostly just that people don't care enough to think filming. This is a thing that makes me really sad. Like you could be the best juggler in the world but your videos don't support your skill since you don't want to take 1-2hours to learn some filming.
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2010, 11:41:21 PM »
Marko's video is good proof, but I'd also like to mention that In Case of Emergency was basically filmed alone. I know I had someone help me out, but all shots were tripod shots and he was there to make sure I was in the frame. It saved me a lot of time as I had a really busy schedule, but it could have been done alone. I'm not trying to diminish his role on that video, but just saying that it could have been done alone. I know it can be a bit frustrating to film many angles alone, but it's not really that hard and it makes the video so much better.

I'm not expecting people to film well, but definitely encouraging it. It's not that hard and you don't need a good camera.

Also, Marko thanks for the very kind words. Was not expecting it. Thanks to everyone else too! Interesting discussion.

ps. as far as tricks and technical skills go, I too enjoy videos with new creative stuff. That's the next thing I really want to improve on, so there won't be any new videos by me anytime soon.  ;) Well except maybe some slowmo tutorials if I/Mike have time and if you/dca have interest.

Edit: Just wanted to add a great tip as far as angles go. Turn the screen on your camera around and leave it on record. You can move it wherever you want and check that you're in the frame, you don't need to walk back and forth to turn it on rec and you can easily move it to the next angle after your trick is done.

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Re: Out of Practice
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2010, 12:40:23 PM »
Hath, to be honest you can't really expect all videos to be filmed like this.

I'd appreciate if you could point out where I made that expectation? What you've done is read what I've said and got completley the wrong conclusion thus making large amounts of irrelevant points.

People are often far to happy to upload a video that they themselves are not even happy with, the edit the clips and put the music to it and then decide its ready when they know its not, probably because they can't be botherd to go back out to a location and re-film a trick (I mean its only a diabolo video who cares?) however when I watch these videos (and I have to say theres not been many that I've seen the whole way through recently) I get a very mega big sad face, and think why haven't they spent more time on it.

Why shouldn't we have high expectations, don't get me wrong if its a practice video then I think of it completley differently but when its a video, that people have put a lot of effort and time into and just haven't quite put in the extra half an hour it deserves, or perhaps as Marko has pointed out a bit of time before hand in reading up on the subject, doing a little bit of research into little things that can make a huge difference, even somethign as basic as white balancing can help and most if not all of modern cameras are capable of this.

Plus getting the angles by yourself is actually pretty easy, there are plenty of videos that have got some very nice cinematography and have been done by one person, L.C.A.B and Quentins also Ben.' I've also got a video thats not been put on here, with some different angles so I can tell you from my own experiance it really isn't that hard, however I am pretty good as far as humans go so maybe its just that?

I think people should think about 2 things in a video, the filming and entertainment on the video, and the skills.
I would have thought that, that was technically 3 things? Filming and entertainment are certainly very different things...


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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2010, 12:56:54 PM »
Yeah i agree that videos shouldnt be spot on every time but do we agree that it is hard to get the same filming and effect in this film by yourself? In my opinion, it sounded like you meant that you hope that diabolo videos where tricks are filmed spot-on, slightly to the side and so on, wont be made anymore and that every video should be like this. I never said it is hard to get the angles and that like in Marko's video but being yourself is hard to get a perspective from taller than yourself and at those angles as in the video.

I would have thought that, that was technically 3 things? Filming and entertainment are certainly very different things...

yeah my bad i just didnt know how to express it in english.. Videography might be a better word for it?
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2010, 02:22:08 PM »
My mistake, I feel just dreadful I wasn't aware English wasn't your first language. Hope I caused absolutley no offence because that was never my intention.

 

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